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Let's get AV

Nick Clegg is set to announce a date for a referendum on the alternative vote. This was a key agreement in the coalition. Let's make it happen. Cameron will campaign against it, we must campaign for it and we have to win.

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Give me the AV facts so I can argue properly. 6 Replies

Can someone please provide me with some pro AV facts or statistics that I can use when the next arguement about electoral reform comes around. Something that explains with numbers and facts how silly…Continue

Started by JAMES GOWER. Last reply by Clea Curtis Apr 25, 2011.

Putting Campaigning Flesh On The Bones 5 Replies

I'll leave the figuring out of the Pro/Cons to those who like counting how many angels can dance on a pinhead and put up some campaigning ideas:Badges/stickers with the slogans:AV IT! (in imitation…Continue

Tags: T-shirts, badges, Slogans

Started by Christopher James Heyworth. Last reply by 2p2ehlmt9lpdd Feb 10, 2011.

Will Ed`Millibands approval of AV make any difference? 3 Replies

I was pleased to hear Ed stand up and support AV. Next year politics will be in the maelstrom of deficit cut activity and the referendum campaign might be weakened if the Lib Dems desire for real…Continue

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Started by JAMES GOWER. Last reply by Andrew Page Oct 11, 2010.

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Comment by Deniece Fisher on April 28, 2011 at 13:55

I have just been reading the NotoAV group wall on Facebook.  It's both depressing and bewildering that a good number of them seem to want rid of FPTP, but are *holding out* for PR.

 

I can't get my head around just how stupid these people are.  

 

http://www.facebook.com/NO2AV?sk=wall

Comment by Philip Geoffrey Thompson on April 24, 2011 at 20:39
I have just delivered 4,000 "yes" campaign leaflets to local Labour deliverers. We have 16,000 to deliver and Ind UKPI etc some more. The Tories are delivering about 20,000+ "No" leaflets. This represents about our votes in the General election. I wonder which will be more effective. The camaign is just starting here and we have only two weeks to go.
Comment by Lee Daniel Hughes on April 24, 2011 at 14:33
It's all about motivating the Labour voters: they are the key.

Peter Hain and Peter Mandelson's point that Labour voters need to ensure that don't give away their vote to the Tories is essential.

In this referendum, it's the Labour Party who are th "swing voters".So far, polls show the vote much closer than last week ("yes" just a few points behind "no").
Hopefully, if enough Labour big guns support AV publicly and make it clear that their party members can only reasonably vote "yes", then we can win the referendum.

The "progressive left" is a larger political entity than the right in the UK: the difference is that the right can one major party and the left have two, so the vote is divided.
In other words, this is a referendum on the survival of the left or the right: whoever "wins" has a better chance of having a greater share of power in the longer-term.
If the vote goes "yes", it also would put great pressure on Cameron from the right of his party, leaving him discredited as a leader in their eyes, and a real danger of him being sacked.
That's why getting the Labour vore mobilised is essential: Vote Yes, Sack Cameron; Vote No, Kill The Left.

That's what it boils down to..
Comment by Paul Catherall on April 17, 2011 at 12:02

AV with the option of a progressive LibDem party to rise to power, free of the Con/Lab monopoly of FFTP in the south and north would be great, but let's remember:

* The Westminster LibDems (MPs/Lords) have voted overwhelmingly for regressive and backward policies such as triple fees, so can hardly be associated with either the cenre left or progressive politics this generation.

* The Westminster LibDems won't benefit from AV in the way they would have during the last general election due to their appaling performance since the last election.

* Labour will take LibDem votes like dominoes and will simply get a landslide under AV, the Tories will be seriously routed and this is why they are opposing AV.

Comment by Janet King on April 15, 2011 at 6:43

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I assume that much of what St Michael writes is tongue in cheek.his reply is for St Michael. Do not suppose that the party in opposition has no influence. Policies are conceived and written, public attitudes are formed and actually major changes planned whilst in opposition. Otherwise how could the present government be implementing so many quite radical changes so soon in its tenure of office. We all want to rule the world but sometimes a spell in opposition is what is needed. The centrist party(Lib Dems) in the UK was simply needed by either side after the last election to form a governable majority and it works since any party usually moves to the centre when in power.That's one of my reasons for supporting the centrist party.

Comment by Alan Levy on April 14, 2011 at 22:22
All electoral systems are capable of producing perverse results. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem. In the end, you have to choose a system that typically delivers desirable outcomes (for a given value of desirable) and accept that there are sometimes going to be pathological outcomes.
Comment by Martin Lowe on April 14, 2011 at 18:50
Hello all - I've just written a post about the failings of FPTP on our local group's website, using the figures from last year's election and a quote from our new Tory MP (who obviously loves the status quo). Hope someone finds it useful: AV and Erewash - what does it mean?
Comment by Philip Geoffrey Thompson on March 22, 2011 at 22:51
Why can I no see 19th March coment?
Comment by Philip Geoffrey Thompson on February 21, 2011 at 23:06
Rembering a returning officer can identify any voter and the spoilt balott paper is still an option here , if not in Australia, it time to play the Hitler card.
Comment by Philip Geoffrey Thompson on February 7, 2011 at 18:06
AV is an issue that will be decided by the voters, not coalition or any other polititician. AV will be won or lost. There is no draw or getting 20% of the vote and getting into a majority goverment and stopping the third London Airport and replacement of Trident for five years.
 

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