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This is the official discussion group of the Green Liberal Democrats - a recognised Associated Organisation within the party.

Location: Planet Earth - the only one we have
Members: 34
Latest Activity: Feb 8, 2013

The Green Liberal Democrats seek to promote the cause of environmentalism within and outside the Party. The Liberal Democrats have a proud record of being the greenist major political party: we aim to ensure it stays that way!

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Started by Philip Geoffrey Thompson. Last reply by Paul Luton May 6, 2012.

Challenge Article "Dump fuel duty and have carbon tax instead" 3 Replies

I assume Simon intended his article to be provocative - it certainly had the steam coming from my ears - the problem is that Challenge is not a good vehicle for discussion.1) "tax motorists"  - there…Continue

Started by Paul Luton. Last reply by Philip Geoffrey Thompson May 6, 2012.

Coalition cycling investment 2 Replies

An interesting collision in your news items :Julian Huppert  : "It is absolutely essential people should be able to walk to work or cycle to school in a safe environment. The extra £8m for Sustrans…Continue

Started by Paul Luton. Last reply by Paul Luton Feb 19, 2012.

Article on Potential of Solar Energy 2 Replies

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Comment by Janet King on February 26, 2012 at 22:34

So far as I know there has been no new legislation re. energy production since 2009 so are we still working to a Labour agenda here? In that case we Lib Dems are innocent of anything which goes wrong . Maybe we should get some new legislation on the statute books. No Need for Nuclear puts a very strong case for exactly that and believes that this Government is being fed inaccurate information re energy needs and solutions. I know we were world leaders in nuclear power at one time and that nuclear energy production is now declining proportionately in the UK. but this is not necessarily a bad thing if we have something better (renewables) with which to replace it.There is no direct subsidy for nuclear power stations but the Government is allowing them all to go ahead. It will be interesting to see how the Hinckley C planning application gets on..

Comment by Simon Oliver on February 26, 2012 at 20:22

the point is that the ten new nuclear power stations are being privately funded - the government is not investing in them, so saying they are is untrue.

Comment by Janet King on February 26, 2012 at 18:00

Putting off the inevitable is one way of describing what Nick Harvey is doing in his Trident review, Simon. We all know he does not favour scrapping it and would not be allowed to suggest this even if he did. I hope he will scrap the continuous at sea defence fiasco, which is now being used by Argentina as an excuse for their sabre rattling over the Falklands.

They are about to start building at Hinckley C as soon as planning permission is granted - and there is no hope that it will be refused despite the occupation next to the site.Do we really need 10 new nuclear power stations?

Electric cars etc  -I agree with Simon and smile whenever I see cars plugged in to the battery chargers in our local car parks. There is good money to be made in this industry and I am sure the West Midlands will jump at every opportunity to get more involved.

However, I would suggest that you do not leave us for the Greens, Pauls, but stay and fight with us. Simon wil be fighting too.

Comment by Simon Oliver on February 26, 2012 at 16:28

"Hi rail fares" - as a result of a poorly designed labour policy intended to reverse decades of neglect.

"no progress on green energy or incentives for the electric car manufacturing in UK" - this is simply false and demonstrates lamentable ignorance of the policies that have been introduced. Look up 'plugged in places', 'renewable heat incentive' and check the way the disaster of Labour's feed in tarrif system has been rescued.

'investment in nuclear' - another untruth. There has not been any new government investment in nuclear since 2010.

'no change on Trident' - unless you are able to understand that delaying the renewal schedule is a change, which it is.

If that's how closely you pay attention to what is actually happening, do you really expect me to take your sense of betrayal seriously? Stop reading the labour press and start looking at what is actually going on.

Comment by Paul Luton on February 25, 2012 at 19:35

"I am highly tempted to vote Green from now on."Likewise.

Comment by Paul Catherall on February 25, 2012 at 12:51

Hi rail fares, no progress on green energy or incentives for the electric car manufacturing in UK, investment in nuclear, no change on Trident, no progress on mandatory restructuring of roads to create new cycle lanes, no new congestion controls in cities.... this government talks the talk but never walks the walk on green issues, the best we can hope for are a few pithy questions about the safety of cyclist... what a moot question that is when cyclists are (a) forced to cycle wihout lanes (b) traffic enforcement is almost non-existant, allowing routine speeding by virtually all motorists every day every minute on every road. Given the policy reversals, betrayals and LibDem plummet into some hard right Neoliberal vision for Britain, I am highly tempted to vote Green from now on.

Comment by Paul Luton on January 16, 2012 at 9:44

RE MP quizzes government on lack of safeguards for cyclists.

Missing from the article is Pennings' assertion that cyclists wouldn't be on the roads controlled by his department. Pity that no-one took him up on that. Cycling along truck roads is usually not pleasant but there is often no sensible alternative. Any lengthy journey is likely to involve crossing trunk roads.

Comment by Paul Luton on September 22, 2011 at 19:58

Who "we" ? If you mean highway authorities, then they have been so timid that it is not surprising that effects have been limited. Give carte blanche to a planner from Copenhagen, Amsterdam or  following the Minister - Munich and we might get results.


I cycled to work for 35 years and found my own cover easier to arrange.


Comment by jonathan thomson on September 20, 2011 at 11:37

Sorry, I was under the impression that we had tried to convince ppl down the "intergrated transport" approach , and whilst not exactly failed, we are having very slow progress. Or am I just (impatiently) getting ahead of things. As for conjestion what about the fact that the cars would be smaller therefore allowing more ppl/vehicles per X square metre? also as they would be lighter they would also reduce stop/start time. When timesing this by millions of cars, it would  (I beleive) significantly improve traffic flow and general speed.


 Another idea, was regarding cycle paths, why not have spaced metal hoops along them and in the winter time have purpose fitting canvas cover so ppl can cycle to work in the dry thereby improving its attractiveness. This could be self-funding with advertising on the canvas.  

Comment by Paul Luton on September 19, 2011 at 21:11

a propos of our discussion - Norman Baker today :

" But cars – clean or dirty – can still cause congestion, particularly in our urban areas.  And nobody wants congestion in their town. But now here’s a fact. Half of all car journeys are less than five miles in length, and nearly all car journeys to school are less than two miles. These journeys lend themselves to modal shift to cycling or walking. So an integrated approach to local transport in our towns and cities can ease the congestion, cut the carbon and help business by making our urban areas more pleasant places to be. I was in Bavaria for my holidays last month and saw town after town where there was virtually no traffic in the historic core. Yet the pavements were bustling and the shops teeming."


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