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Europe - love it?

A group for discussion on Europe: towards an EU that can have a positive role for all European citizens.

Website: http://act.libdems.org.uk/group/europeloveit
Members: 19
Latest Activity: Jan 28

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A non-nuclear Europe is worth working for. 2 Replies

I have started this new discussion forum to give us all an opportunity to take further an idea, which is really not very new. Charles Kennedy, when he was Lib Dems leader, put forward the concept of…Continue

Started by Janet King. Last reply by Stephen Jeremy Tuthill Feb 8, 2013.

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Comment by Peter Hillier-Palmer on January 21, 2014 at 13:05

If you are pro European like I am.  The please sign up for British Influence.  These people have put up many useful posts of why we should belong to the EU there is a link below:

http://britishinfluence.org

Comment by Andy Sutton on June 14, 2012 at 23:34

I like the idea of working together, reducing barriers and reducing protectionism. What terrifies me is the Europe wants to become a Federal super-state. The EU is staffed by people who only see obstacles to EU ambitions, not the risks. Big means unwieldy. Big means centralised harmosised decision making. We cannot call for more local powers for councils and at the same time call for state powers to be pooled. Building regulations in Sweden and Greece need to differ, but try explaining that to someone in Brussels. There is no real free market in television, yet British TV has to abide by the same advertising minutage as Italy. In the 1980s many decision making powers were taken away from local councils because they were undermining central Government policy. In effect we are seeing the same with the Euro. Bank reserve levels, taxation and defecit rules set centrally. This worsens problems if different countries operate in different conditions. It becomes a disaster if the central policy is downright wrong. Keynsian or monetarist? Inflation or stagflation? The Euro was a crisis waiting to happen, based on a wooly ideal that every participating Gocvernment would behave all the time. A solution is needed but centralisation is not it.

Comment by Peter Hillier-Palmer on May 19, 2012 at 8:17

We must start standing up for Europe and stop denying its there, a disease of many many Liberal Democrats.  Please join the European Movement. We have a new chair who is certainly stirring up the debate. http://www.euromove.org.uk/

I also belong to the Federal Union and lets face and be blunt with no fiscal union there will be no future for the Euro and a disaster for collective economic wellbeing!  http://www.federalunion.org.uk/

Comment by Janet King on May 6, 2012 at 10:46

It's good to welcome our 15th member, Hayden Scott, but the level of participation on this page is far too low. How do we regenerate it?? So many Lib Dems are Europhiles -maybe they see this page as unnecessary? Not only do I want to see a much closer relationship with all our EU fellow members but also a European Defence Force (non-nuclear), which can and will say to the USA that we really do not need their missile `defence' bases here.We can all play our part, however small.I am organising a german/english youth camp this summer but it is the Gov. which obviously makes most impact. I am tired of Brits being considered luke warm about or even anti Europe.

Comment by Richard Tebboth on May 16, 2011 at 18:44
Tim Farron, President of the Liberal Democrats and potential future party leader, has called for an in/out EU referendum
Comment by Janet King on January 8, 2011 at 16:40
Is there not one very simple fact which might lead to Turkey`s rejection by the EU? As I understand it most of Turkey does not lie within Europe. It is an Asian state. How much of Asia does the EU want to take over? I personally think that the EU has quite enough on its plate just now without adding more countries. Let`s have a consolidation of what we have before we expand any further.
Comment by Philip Geoffrey Thompson on December 6, 2010 at 23:06
Speaking as an atheist, I am not ready for shia law. Some of it has merit, but some is dispicable. It does vary from place to place, but no where would it enhance civilisation without full removal of discrimination for our normal values of equality first. I have confidence that our society could dominate the ethics of a new state comming in, rather than the reverse. I supose the test is how things develope in Bosnia and Albania etc. I dont think France is a good example, but they are going to have to sort out a solution there as well.
Comment by Anthony Roles on December 6, 2010 at 18:34
In France Muslims do contribute to society - in fact all people contribute to the society they are in in some way. If we look at the example of France, the music business in particular is thriving due to this cultural diversity. And a French national 11 in football would be a weakened side if it could not pick any Muslim players. There would be a scandal if the selectors said "We will not pick Muslims". I guess this is proof that France are further down the European road than us. But I think we will be catching them up before too long.
Comment by Anthony Roles on December 5, 2010 at 21:08
Careful Phil! With the bumping off of opponents that is - after all it is hard to know who exactly in the country is responible for it. A democratic Turkey (not the bird) that makes an effort to sort out human rights legislation should not really be turned away. I'm not sure I would ever imagine Europe to stretch as far as Iran, but it is through incorporating diverse cultures and historical backgrounds that Europe becomes rich. Metaphorically at least!
Comment by Philip Geoffrey Thompson on December 5, 2010 at 20:54
Iran is a democracy like Israel. When they do not like the opposition they have a tendancy to bump off the oponents. Israel does it one at a time. Iran does it in whole movements. Not much better than Turkey (remember the Armenians).
"Duh" is part of a language I have never come accross. The Turkish application has been on the table since the Greeks and Cyprus (2 bits) applied to join. Not much sign that they will join "Duh" ?? if I am not mistaken.
What makes you think Turkey has nothing in common with EU?
They like making money.They like sex. They are over here. (or was that the Americans who came to save us).
The only time Russia was a democracy it was in turmoil and revoluton, so the conservative survivors always vote back in a strong hand that can protect the interests of the haves and grabbers. So not much surprise. Then England was like that a few centuries ago and its still hasnt made a full transition to democracy without violent revolution. I think we are getting close. Best we dont go back to the bad old days of fudalism or brown shirts.
and please do not quote me without the introduction. A part quote could be misconstrued by other readers. You could be accused of lying. I am clearly very reluctant to do that.
 

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